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2 Clowns in a Closet is a friendly, behind the scenes (and noses) chat with clown performers from the Circus Freaks.
For each episode of the podcast, these brave fools have agreed to be locked in a small closet armed only with a microphone and small pile of index cards.
These cards contain questions supplied by friends and fans.
They will not be released from captivity until satisfactory answers are provided to each episode’s questions.
Afterwards, they are rewarded with tea and snacks.
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03:44 After interruptions and delays, the first question!
14:10 Regarding clown noses and masks.
16:00 Stanley Allan Sherman (off-site) and the kazumpet trade.
17:50 The nose says, “Hey, I’m ready to play!”
21:10 March 2020…
23:30 Wild Rumpus Circus (off-site) and “The Parade”
26:10 The birth of #CircusInPlace (off-site)
31:00 Making masks and wiping out craft stores…
32:33 Spoilers!
34:18 Life Hack: playing “address book roulette”
35:35 The sticker exchange project.
39:30 “Hammerspace” and the magic of doors.
42:05 “The clown expands to fill the space provided.” - Ben Sota (off-site)
44:40 The trap of ‘unique, universal, and timeless’ material.
46:30 The origin of Avalon’s “stolen” diabolo act.
52:50 The world’s oldest fart joke (off-site).
54:10 Processing the trauma of potty humor.
56:15 “We are born hungry, and we’ll die hungry…” - Avner (off-site)
59:05 Jim Henson and the Conspiracy of Craziness (off-site).
Recorded on 2022-01-17.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
03:35 The first question!
05:05 The Existential Variety Improv Lab, 2014-2018. (off-site)
06:00 “Let’s do the weird stuff…”
08:15 The ‘radioactive clown bite’ story: Russ meets Dick Monday. (off-site)
13:00 “We’re all on the same mountain…” - Jango Edwards (off-site)
15:30 “Same show every night, but always different.” - Aitor Basuri (off-site)
16:55 Commedia del Arte and the Lazzi. (off-sites)
22:05 Avalon reveals that we rehearse this nonsense.
24:00 Avalon’s on-stage catastrophe, tech theater, and victory.
26:25 Performance video: When I’m Gone
32:00 The joy, danger, and responsibility of working with a partner.
33:55 Russ drops the stack of cards after riffling them. Mayhem ensues!
35:00 Sad clowns: The Tramp and Emmett Kelly. (off-sites)
41:00 Grimaldi (off-site)
43:10 The backstory and personal victory of Le Bele et Le Bete.
45:00 Marie’s rendition of Beastly Beauty. (off-site)
51:25 The time when Scrooge sold Candy Cane Jane to a child.
59:25 The “Really’s” of being a clown.
61:20 Vamping, defined by example. (off-site)
62:16 Avalon is two clowns…introducing the personas Jane and Chadwick.
63:15 The etymology of the word ‘person’. (off-site)
65:05 The clown persona: sort of like Barbie, but different.
67:00 Development of the multi-faceted persona(s) of the clown.
71:30 Trance States, mental models, and resistance to the transformative stuff.
73:30 “It sounds like woo-woo, because it’s a little woo-woo.” - Russ Sharek
75:20 The Chadwick video. (off-site)
77:25 Chadwick’s new clothes. On gemini and the web. (off-sites)
79:15 The Fediverse. (off-site)
Recorded on 2022-01-24.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
02:10 Find Russ and Avalon on the Fediverse. (off-sites)
03:10 Avalon gets jealous of Russ’ special friends.
04:30 The Titanic…too soon?
04:55 The first question!
07:40 Inkscape and free software. (off-sites)
08:35 Russ coins the term ‘dematerialismization’.
11:55 “If you don’t love the gross part…get out of it.” - Russ Sharek
14:25 Avalon the triple threat.
17:40 Flow Arts (off-site)
18:50 The Big Comfy Couch (off-site)
19:45 Davenport Junior Theater and Showtime Pal. (off-site)
21:20 The rarity of female-presenting clowns in America.
22:30 Put Me in the Zoo (off-site)
24:45 Jane and Lunette.
26:50 The (inevitable discussion of the) ‘creepy clown’ meme…
28:46 Avalon throws the Ringling Clown College under a metaphoric bus.
40:00 “Scary Clowns” are an American-centric idea.
42:05 Scary is one in a palette of emotions, why are you focusing on it?
46:25 “I want to be loved.” - Russ Sharek
50:25 “I like sharing the wow.” - Avalon Woodard
53:40 Sharing small, important wows.
57:05 “The clown is like a verb that ocassionally stands still.” - Russ Sharek
59:57 Celebrating the first dirty word of the podcast!
61:10 “An entire production studio in one red nose.” - Dick Monday (off-site)
66:15 Objective distance and the director’s eye.
68:15 “I hope someone cracks a joke at my funeral.” - Russ Sharek
68:20 Serious, not Solemn.
69:45 Honk!
Recorded on 2022-01-31.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
00:45 Nailing the brand!
01:15 Contact information.
03:35 The first question!
06:30 The birthday trope: Some poor schmuck in a costume…and it’s sad.
07:30 Payaso Fiesta, Mexico’s party clown and their work as an emcee.
09:48 Pro tip: before busking, check your local laws!
12:55 Busking teaches kids the ritual of directly supporting the arts.
16:10 The best hat line ever.
16:48 “Boobie boobie boobie boobie boobie ha-ha.” - Russ Sharek
17:50 Milton Berle and Fozzie Bear (off-site)
19:00 Backstage desperation, critical filler, and keeping the audience company.
20:10 How our “interstitial comedy” evolved out of tech theater.
22:10 Clown contrast: saving audiences from “Boobie Blindness”.
24:50 Russ survives the ‘running of the humans’ and finishes a marathon.
28:00 Rodeo Clowns are braver than you think. (off-site)
33:50 The philosophy of ‘The Gap’.
37:20 Being the worst kid in the best room…
39:00 Avalon didn’t explain herself to anyone.
43:00 Different schools of clown thought, which speak different languages.
45:00 Avalon, the polyglot, struggles in workshop because of language barriers.
50:30 Sacred Clowns: The Heyoka. (off-site)
52:30 Learning different approaches to the same tools.
54:51 Complicity: Where comfort, communication, and consent intersect.
57:20 “If you are doing, then you are doing.” - Pavel Karima
59:20 David Poznanter (off-site)
59:40 Steve Jarand (off-site)
61:50 The only clown that is difficult to work with.
63:45 Fixing the DFW Megalopolis and the five Quad Cities.
69:30 “New York Mob Voice” warm ups.
73:15 Losing a game of “nose goes” and getting stuck with a circus.
Recorded on 2022-02-14.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
01:04 Fastest first question!
01:48 Introducing Marie…
02:50 Fun Fact: mute means ‘many’ in toki pona.
05:35 Origin Stories: Marie has always been this way…
07:50 The enigmatic Frogus Maximus Rex
12:30 “If this were being run by clowns, we’d be having more fun.” - Marie Martin
22:00 Avner the Eccentric, a clown by any other name (off-site)
23:20 Clown is a four letter word in America.
23:50 Buffoon and Bouffon (off-sites)
27:30 “The clown never knows better.” - Avalon Woodard
31:10 Curiosity, makerspaces, and being a human rubber duck.
38:40 “Helping people like things is even better than letting people like things.” - Marie Martin
41:20 Stilt dancing, comfort, and boundaries.
43:05 The dancing habits of Tree, Foley, and Jane.
45:20 A stiltwalking taxonomy.
52:00 “Confetti Doom” at the Hora Loca. (off-site)
55:30 Sharing, and re-sharing, dances.
58:20 “Classic gags are like jazz standards.” - Marie Martin
59:30 The Whipcracker (video link)
66:15 “You don’t have to make everything new, just make it yours.” - Marie Martin
67:10 Avalon’s hot take: Clown noses do not squeak.
82:25 Dead and Alive, the clown’s “secret” handshake. (off-site)
94:20 “Gnomes and magma don’t mix.” - Marie Martin
98:20 Bonus email jingle!
Recorded on 2022-02-26.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
04:45 First question!
07:20 Giving people a chance to catch their breath.
08:20 “Every time I exhale, I’m capable of inhaling again.” - Russ Sharek
10:20 Avalon reminds audiences that there are good (weird) people out there.
13:35 Into the Woods (off-site)
18:30 Michael Courtemanche, human cartoon. (off-site)
19:50 Wild West Shootout (video link)
23:00 Too many thoughts on writing implements.
…
48:45 A return to the clown-related conversation.
50:55 “Slow the @#$% down.” - Russ Sharek
51:55 So. Many. Beeps.
54:30 Barbara Karger, Mummenschanz (off-sites)
63:00 Throwing pies with Jay Stewart (off-site)
65:45 “Don’t let adrenaline take you ahead of your technique.” - Jay Stewart
67:45 “You don’t need anything. Just Keep Playing” - John Gilkey (off-site)
69:40 “One thing at a time!” - Angela de Castro (off-site)
72:00 “ijo wan lon tempo wan” - #ClownWisdom, in toki pona.
72:45 Three Things! and Three Good Things!
Recorded on 2022-03-07.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
05:30 Content Warning: “Bodies are gross.”
05:50 First question!
07:40 The Acro Base: “The big person that gets between you and the floor.”
09:00 The Fart Flipper.
15:50 Focusing on the important things in the moment.
20:35 Why acrobats and aerialists perform to loud music.
32:20 George Carl (off-site)
33:40 Intentionally not meeting a hero.
36:05 ‘Pedro Pedro’ Campa (off-site, memorial)
38:42 “It’s ok not to know how the magic trick is done.” - Russ Sharek
42:10 J’Accuse! (off-site)
43:05 Almost 5 (off-site)
51:05 Circus Prop Definition: Diabolo (off-site)
51:45 Juggling for the Complete Klutz (off-site)
52:05 Kids Shenanigans (off-site)
56:30 Jane and the best breakfast.
64:00 Russ Sharek: Teacher of Arse du Idiote.
69:45 Improvised: Silly voice roll call.
Recorded on 2022-03-25.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
02:20 Coining the term “Sneatting”
03:50 The first question!
04:30 Circus foods
15:00 “Cotton candy, the fluff dreams are made of.” - Russ Sharek
21:45 The dietary horror that is the funnel cake. (off-site)
26:50 The wisdom of Big Bill
28:30 It all started with a bit of Creative Motion
29:20 Origin Stories: The debut of the Circus Freaks
43:00 Privacy and performance…
44:00 Free Software and seeing the code. (off-site)
44:45 Legal Disclaimer: Two clowns with a mic may not be privacy experts.
45:20 Avalon’s privacy musings. (off-site)
54:00 “Me time” and the space between your ears.
57:00 The Creative Commons (off-site)
59:00 The importance of small theaters.
70:30 The scientifically accurate amount of closet-filling ramen.
72:00 The next question…
Recorded on 2022-03-28.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
03:07 Content Warnings: Very personal stuff, injuries, and covid.
05:25 “We return to things because they are important to us.” - Stanley Allan Sherman
06:35 Our saga Begins.
14:20 Teaching Hands-off handstands during #CircusInPlace.
16:00 Physical training, contact, and consent.
21:00 “The body doesn’t speak English.” - Letitia Bartlett
27:30 Turnip Day! (Established July 20th, 2022.)
36:00 Russ experiences some trauma while talking about pain…
37:10 The difference between sensation and pain.
37:47 Russ has a brain lizard. (off-site)
44:15 “The holding of tension is the enemy of so much useful work.” - Russ Sharek
51:00 Liam gets fired by his (physical) therapist.
52:25 The rough, failure-filled road of returning to acrobatics.
56:00 Liam is braver than Russ.
56:45 The infamous Coffee Handstand Count: 205
62:30 Our saga begins, again!
62:50 The worst birthday present.
65:40 Amazing physical shape…other than the covid.
68:00 Proving the doctor wrong.
68:48 Long covid, the gift that has kept on giving.
71:45 The value of presence.
76:30 Our saga Begins, again…again.
80:20 It’s a boy! (off-site)
85:00 Introducing…Liam!
Recorded on 2022-11-21.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
01:00 A complaint about the lack of witty banter.
01:40 Liam is not on fleek.
02:35 The hat rack on the landing.
03:35 What episode is this? (Episode 10…)
05:40 This first question!
12:40 Otto Griebling’s Boxing Ring (off-site)
22:05 The 7 Blades (off-site)
31:45 Circus Lingo: Wallpaper Juggling, aka being a human lava lamp.
39:50 nimi mute pi jan nasa pona
41:00 Barney the Dinosaur (off-site)
42:00 A Rhino gets their name in a trial by fire.
50:00 The many hats of Jan.
57:00 “We’re not assigning meaning. We’re allowing meaning.” - Russ Sharek
65:45 Scientific support of weird noises during physical exertion. (off-site)
Recorded on 2022-12-05.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
01:10 100% performing hat free.
02:45 Excited to help people get calm.
03:55 “Never underestimate the power of a silly hat.” #ClownWisdom
04:21 First question!
06:48 The mystery of Clown Car One.
14:55 “They don’t let Rhinos into shopping malls!” - Not Rhino
20:43 “It’s important not to know too much.” #ClownWisdom
21:20 Clowns International Egg Registry (off-site)
31:25 Sticking out your tongue on the radio, a guide.
42:40 Circus dinner theater: Salmagundi!, 2015.
51:30 Beeeees! (off-site)
Theme Remix by Wetdryvac (off-site)
Recorded on 2022-12-12.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
01:25 More details of the clown house. We have books!
03:30 An unshaven and irregular moment.
04:15 “but rather have all our our original rather well i”
04:45 The First Question!
08:25 The scent of baby powder and the dangers of cosmetics
11:45 Much love for furries…
17:15 Clowns: what you get if your fursona is a human being.
28:00 Gender, clown, and masks.
37:00 An interview with clown personas gone awry…
50:00 Angela DeCastro (off-site)
53:00 Foley, the blue-haired weirdo.
56:30 When defensiveness starts, the learning stops. - Liz Lerman (off-site)
64:22 Too weird for the circus.
70:30 ‘Chasing the train’ is a distraction from doing the work. - Liam Woodard
76:40 The Salad Clown
79:10 Dunking on the Earl of Sandwich. (off-site)
Theme Remix by Nobody
Recorded on 2022-12-19.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
02:25 The true definition of BS: Banter Sounds!
04:50 The first question…only not!
07:20 Winnie the Pooh wisdom. (off-site)
09:25 We actually get letters, and want postcards.
11:45 Hear This Silence
12:15 Virtual Show
13:25 Listen to the audience. #ClownWisdom
20:05 Jane plays, “Duck, Duck, Duck…”
26:15 The “Cup Song” is not international pop culture. (off-site)
32:40 When I’m Gone
35:30 The pop culture problem, featuring the Hittites. (off-site)
38:15 A brief history of clowns.
41:20 Exploring theatrical status.
46:30 Playing the Open Stage’s Host
50:40 My superpower is the ability to say yes. - Russ Sharek
62:50 Clown Skill Definition: The Bumble
71:20 The saga of “Donut Touch!”
75:52 Pointless Roshambo! (off-site)
97:30 Penguins and their puppy protectors. (off-site)
Theme Remix by Robert Goodrick and his One Bird Orchestra
Recorded on 2022-12-26.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
01:20 First recording in the daylight hours!
03:19 Schwaebisch slang lesson: Mukesekele (off-site)
07:20 The First Question!
07:40 The Baconian theory of Shakespeare authorship (off-site)
08:40 The Reduced Shakespeare Company (off-site)
14:08 The sanity of Hamlet, aka Subtext 101.
14:43 One Ham Manlet (off-site)
17:05 Content Warning
Discussion of Plurality, DID, multiple personalities, and identity.
Helpful Resources
- Plurality (off-site)
- The Plurality Playbook (off-site)
- Tulpa (off-site)
Related Show Notes
21:00 Etymology: Person/Persona (off-site)
24:50 Liam’s pet theory of identity and trauma.
31:40 Changing the lens on your perception of reality.
48:37 Bob Hoskins (off-site)
60:35 Chadwick outsmarts The Provacateur.
Skip ahead to 66:58 for the next question.
68:30 ‘Turnip Day’ qualifications and declarations.
68:44 The Handstand Factory (off-site)
77:50 This Show (at the Margo Jones Theater)
89:15 We did turn the room around! #CircusInPlace
Theme Remix by Malte Hollman (off-site)
Recorded on 2023-01-29.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
04:30 “Banter Topic” cards?
07:10 If you can fake naturalism…
10:32 Clown Yoga
13:13 The First Question! (on the third or fourth try…)
14:30 “On a break” from Friends (off-site)
18:49 Timelords and Almost 5.
26:28 An intentional (and not at all awkward) pause.
34:00 Keith Johnstone and the power of charisma. (off-site)
37:20 The only thing sexier than clowns is consent. - Russ Sharek
40:15 Mime is the Ballet of clown - Ryan Combs
40:22 …and ballet is the mime of dance. - Liam Woodard
46:10 Clowns as polyglots.
50:00 ASL lesson: “Clown” (off-site)
50:10 ASL lesson: “Circus” (off-site)
51:00 More ASL Resources: ASLU (off-site)
60:10 Commedia and Grammelot (off-site)
60:30 Shoe cameo.
73:45 It always comes back to farts.
77:58 The most epic (on-stage) fart joke
Theme Remix by js0000 (off-site)
Recorded on 2023-02-07.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
03:05 It’s official: Season Three!
04:50 A moment of disingenous foley work.
06:35 New Word: “meabanfaffing”
11:52 Chickens love our podcast! (off-site)
13:22 First question!
15:32 “I’d likely be a clown in the shower.” (off-site)
18:04 The Three Beat Gag. (off-site)
19:05 Liam and His Amazing Screaming Leg (off-site)
24:20 Open Stage, filmed in front of a live(ly) studio audience.
29:59 Hugo, Oklahoma’s Elephant Sanctuary (off-site)
33:25 Snake Encounters with Daryl Sprout. (off-site)
34:06 Eve Takes the Fall music video. (off-site)
37:35 Russ meets Capone. (off-site)
38:45 Clown and toki pona.
41:19 Semantic Loading and Semantic Primes. (off-site)
47:20 Useful Mantra: mi lon la, mi pona (If I’m here, I’m good.)
51:51 Clown, aka jan nasa pona.
58:48 Izzy, wile, and passion for the cookie.
63:35 sitelen pona (off-site)
66:25 The origin story of the jan nasa pona glyph.
76:06 Spears Specialty Shoes has retired after 40 years. (off-site)
80:30 Falling in love with a pair of shoes.
86:54 Godzilla: Best kaiju, worst clown.
Theme Remix by s0, Public Domain (CC0)
Recorded on 2023-02-21.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
03:35 Join us in the #CircusInPlace video chat.
04:33 Foley’s clown yoga.
08:10 Give episode six a listen for many words about Liam’s pen.
08:42 Liam, professional Clown Scribe.
10:32 Storytime: Saying goodbye to the Open Stage. (off-site)
12:21 First Question!
14:52 The more personal I am with my mistakes, the more universal I become. - Rene Bazinet
24:29 The Big Comfy Couch (off-site)
28:47 Listen to the “Scary Clowns” discussion in episode three.
30:50 Rocko’s Modern Life and the “Clown Closet”. (off-site)
34:21 A clown is an orangutan who is also a poet. #ClownWisdom
39:24 The Tramp, The Circus, and Modern Times. (off-sites)
41:48 Theatrical Status. Also, read Impro. (off-sites)
45:02 It is with dignity that one can admit to being wrong. - Liam Woodard
62:00 Big wishes for the Circus Freaks’ many hats.
Recorded on 2023-03-04.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
2:06 Some assembly required. (off-site)
6:30 The banter gets heavy for a moment.
7:52 Censoring a brand that could have sponsored our move.
8:46 Urban Dictionary: Vibe (off-site)
28:24 How to pack like a circus gym.
31:00 The life-changing power of As Is.
36:23 Sanatoriums and other mad houses. (off-site)
38:30 Creative Challenge: Episode Art!
46:50 mi lon la, mi pona. #ClownWisdom
56:14 Microblogging: This Old Clown House (off-site)
Episode Art by ilo Mimuki (off-site)
Recorded on 2024-01-11.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
2:30 Liam’s intermittent fasting resources. (off-site)
4:30 Liam “shills” his personal projects (off-site)
9:20 RSS and taking media at your own pace. (off-site)
10:00 “We play more when we slow down.” -R
19:20 First Question of the new building!
20:10 Almost5
42:00 Chaplin’s Modern Times (off-site)
47:15 The origin of Rhino can be heard in episode 10.
Episode Art by unix_surrealism (off-site)
Recorded on 2024-03-01.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
01:08 Happy Pride!
05:17 Wrestling with Wattsworth (off-site)
07:29 Keep up with our work on #ThisOldClownHouse (off-site)
12:35 Let infrastructure fall in around the creativity. -Yam655 (off-site)
14:45 First Question!
18:00 Content Warning
The (now infamous) Rola Bola Story contains a mention of minor injuries to both a performer and a child in the audience. Thankfully, everything turns out OK.
Related Show Notes
- Videos of Alan the Juggler on better days.
- A brief primer on stage directions. (off-site)
- “Under the Bus” (off-site)
Skip Ahead to 30:30 for the next question.
33:20 Playing with Jane
43:15 Virtual Show, 2021.
Episode Art: Tom and Nikki (off-site)
Recorded on 2024-06-30.
A text transcription of this episode is available here.
01:20 Actually in a closet!
07:20 Clowns help the Rescue Trans Rescue fundraiser. (off-site)
21:50 The first question!
26:20 Beating the Stanislavski and Meisner out of students. (off-site)
36:50 The Drop-Stuff Academy video (off-site)
39:20 Tips for common juggling problems:
- Be unafraid to make mistakes. Drop Things!
- Just throw the ball. Try!
- Throw things at your face, and then don't do that.
- Bonus tip: learn by juggling over a bed, with beanbags!
51:20 Pester Liam into making a new video!
56:49 Liam accidentally defines the theatrical fifth wall.
59:50 The Open Stage’s social contract helped people be present.
76:20 The Great Dictator, 1940. (off-site)
82:20 Tony Montanaro making noises. (off-site)
86:20 Liam elegantly calls out transmisia in standup comedy.
98:20 Lenny Bruce (off-site)
111:00 Content Warning: we make silly, high-pitched noises for a bit.
Episode Art by Chris Silverman (off-site)
Recorded on 2024-09-18.
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